Nrl 2012

[TS-50]

The immortal issue is nothing to do with Qld Vs NSW,. . .and to call the druggo the greatest is misguided to say it politely,

One of the main reasons I cited Mal as a contender is for his work with young indigineous players and Kids in general, along with his record SoO coaching. Compare that to AJ who has a limited history of giving back comparitively and his commentry bagging every other player and club in the comp is disgusting (9 calls it funny) and insulting.

It's ok to believe the hype , accept the praise heaped by the media on Johns,. . . but actions speak louder, all the excuses about depression, or any other story dreamed up to justify bad behaviour just doesn't wash.

Yes I live in QLD and yes I cited Mal as a way more worthy recipient of the title, but it's just plain rude and insulting to call that state based prejudice when it's based on real time actions, Off field and on.

 

[Bigcol]

for the record

Ron Coote was my choice. Strange but he's NSWelshman




On Goey Johns again. Not once did i ever see him dominate a game while his forwards were getting smashed.

Greatest Player, not likely.

There's only one player i've seen that has dominated games while his forward pack was getting smashed and that was the King

 

[Quasi]

Meninga was a legend when Johns was still playing with himself over a copy of playboy behind the bike shed at school.

Seriously, what about Bob McCarthy, I don't see his name brought up in any 'Immortals' discussion. I love the line:

"They included those he beat: Ron Coote, Norm Provan and Mal Meninga, all of whom would not have looked out of place alongside Johns."

Johns should feel priveliged to even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys.

 

[Mitchell]

we weren't talking about the Bulldogs from a decade ago.... I'm with you on that one.. We're definitely not talking about Origin, either.

and i would LOVE for a second Brisbane team to get in, i'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before..... who would support it? where would the money come from?

I'm pretty sure all you'll find out is how hard it is to sustain the number of clubs that Sydney does... Brisbane has 1, Sydney has about 10.



You really are a bitter old man, Col []

 

[Bigcol]

Far from it.

I just like bursting the NSW fans bubble


You blokes don't like being told a few home truths

 

[TS-50]

All I can say is if it wasn't for Super League the NRL would be worse than the pathetic biased one eyed myopic view that old time whingers would have had it be still now with every prize given out to their own above well deserved players from the past and present.

I think the whole thig was a farce from the start and if the guys in the age range of meninga have now been overlooked for the next era, how in $#^%'s name did Johns get in over Locky? if all's above board?

the whole NSW control of the NRL is exactly why it will never become THE National code.[jk]

 

[Racin Jason]

Look out! Here comes a New South Welshman! Quick park the wagons in a circle!


I will enter this debate after Bathurst is over.

 

[Mitchell]

Lockyer better than Johns? [crackup]

 

[Bigcol]

Different type of player.

Lockyer might not have been better but Wally Lewis shows him up with ease.

Have a look at the hardest and highest level game of League in the world.
State Of Origin.

If Goey was so good how come Sterlo has more man of the match awards at the highest level and how come Lewis streets the lot of them

Surely if Goey Johns was such the dominate player the people from the deep south think, he would have won a heap more man of the match awards at the highest level

 

[Mitchell]

its irrelevant, isnt it? Wally is already an Immortal... and i said in my first post that i'm happy to accept Wally as #1...

if we're taking in to account MOTM awards and the like... google Meninga, google Johns, look at their MOTM awards, Clive Churchill medals, Dally M Medals, Player of the year awards, points scored, tries scored, try assists..... golden boots.... all that stuff...

Joey's got big Mal covered there..... his honors list is about 25 lines long, Mal's is about 5.

Wally was a great leader of men, Lockyer's strength was his time on the ball and his decision making... but when it comes to pure technique and ability with the ball in hand... i reckon Joey was the best.

Mal was a great player.. im just not sure if he comes in to the same League.....

 

[TS-50]

its irrelevant, isnt it? Wally is already an Immortal... and i said in my first post that i'm happy to accept Wally as #1...

if we're taking in to account MOTM awards and the like... google Meninga, google Johns, look at their MOTM awards, Clive Churchill medals, Dally M Medals, Player of the year awards, points scored, tries scored, try assists..... golden boots.... all that stuff...

Joey's got big Mal covered there..... his honors list is about 25 lines long, Mal's is about 5.

Wally was a great leader of men, Lockyer's strength was his time on the ball and his decision making... but when it comes to pure technique and ability with the ball in hand... i reckon Joey was the best.

Mal was a great player.. im just not sure if he comes in to the same League.....

Dood, you're not comparing apples with apples, if Mal was a NSW player he would have all those things, . . .[jk]

For mw it doesn't matter how much skill Johns had with the ball, he's a druggo, he never should have been put up for the award, end of story.

And we wonder why there is a continual stream of press with players drugged, drunk, asaults, missing training, etc etc,. . . they're just trying to get to the top just like Johns did. [bgn]

 

[Mitchell]

Dood, you're not comparing apples with apples, if Mal was a NSW player he would have all those things, . . .[jk]

For mw it doesn't matter how much skill Johns had with the ball, he's a druggo, he never should have been put up for the award, end of story.

And we wonder why there is a continual stream of press with players drugged, drunk, asaults, missing training, etc etc,. . . they're just trying to get to the top just like Johns did. [bgn]

again, like i said in an earlier post.... I read an article by John Raper a few years back, just after it all came out about Joey, and he straight up said that if the players of his era, right up until the late 90's.. if they were put under the same media scrutiny as the current crop, and if everyone knew what THEY all got up to when they were on tour, they wouldnt think any of them were fit to be immortals either..

... They reckon Raper especially was a massive pisshead.... and dont tell me Arthur Beetson wasnt a lad...


I think Mal is a pretty 'moral' sort of bloke, so i dont expect he would have ever had too many drugs in his time, if at all.... but i think the main difference between Joey and most of these guys is that he got caught.

 

[TS-50]

I think your last statement there is what the problem is with the NSW rugby league.

I Raper and Mal's day, what they got up to was not that unacceptable to the public in those days so it didn't make news.

In 1970 you could come out of the pub and be helped home by the local cops, now you'd be done for an offence as we've allowed nanny state mentality to take over.

A brawl in a pub was just that all the participants took responsibility for their own part in it, today they all look for someone else to blame.

Now ,. . . . different story,. . .Johns knew taking those drugs was a no no in his game, he did it anyway, it was covered up, he was so dumb he still got caught,. . .he is of a different era to mal and all those older guys , an era of knowledge about drugs, and about media,

We have to draw a line somewhere, the NRL did and Johns crossed it, all those others did not because they never had that line.

Johns sits on the radio and TV today getting paid huge sums, and bad mouths other players for a living, he's not funny and has a poor attitude and seems out of touch with the game too. Immortal,. . .not in my book, just another drug cheat and part of the NSW picture of rugby league that is making people take their kids down to the soccer field.

 

[Mitchell]

The stuff about 'NSW Rugby League' is a joke mate... im trying not to make it about NSW v QLD so why are you lot trying to?

If you were playing on a footy team and you found out that one of your team mates had taken a pill on a Friday night after a match, and then you found out that 3 or 4 other players had been rorting the wage system and getting paid way more than everybody else and putting everybody else's reputation at risk, not just their own...

... who would you be more disgusted with? the guy with a drug problem, away from footy, that gives him no advantage...... or the guys that have ripped off the competition and cheated their team mates.... ?

Be honest with yourself.



now im not saying that it's as black and white as that.... im not that thick......... but please, before you go and accuse NSW for all that is wrong in the game, have a look in your own backyard....

 

[TS-50]

The stuff about 'NSW Rugby League' is a joke mate... im trying not to make it about NSW v QLD so why are you lot trying to?

If you were playing on a footy team and you found out that one of your team mates had taken a pill on a Friday night after a match, and then you found out that 3 or 4 other players had been rorting the wage system and getting paid way more than everybody else and putting everybody else's reputation at risk, not just their own...

... who would you be more disgusted with? the guy with a drug problem, away from footy, that gives him no advantage...... or the guys that have ripped off the competition and cheated their team mates.... ?

Be honest with yourself.



now im not saying that it's as black and white as that.... im not that thick......... but please, before you go and accuse NSW for all that is wrong in the game, have a look in your own backyard....

The idea of a discussion is that each refutes or agrees with certain points from the others arguement and then puts forward an arguement of their own, Just so you know.

It's not to just make stuff up out of what is clearly written based on your own biased view.

Is the comp or is it not called the NRL ?
Is the comp or is it not run from NSW ?

your absurd arguement about "you lot" ( another generalisation ) refuted.

If i found out either of those things I'd be living in dreamland, it's obtuse to say the least to imagine that Johns who has said in his own words that he went on the field "smashed" only "popped a pill on a friday after a game,. . I think we'll leave that defence to the little girls who go clubbing and come home a bit late, it's just lame and no one believes it,. . .also refuted.

My arguement once again is, Johns is a drug cheat,. . .end of story.

he does not make the ranks of immortal in my view, nor should he have been inducted into the sporting hall of fame. again my view.

Again, he badmouths other players adnauseum every week on radio or TV, and he used that medium to promote himself for it at every opportunity, and his fortunate on field talent from yesteryear ( where his aleged greatness saw him loose consistantly in SoO ) doesn't make up for his cumulative lifetime of misdeeds.

also , I could easily accept him if there was some fairness in the appointing that saw players who have given to the game tenfold what Johns has had made the cut, but Greats were overlooked for a drug cheat.

And FYI in our house at the moment we have a Doctor, a scientist in Pathology, a clinical ICU nurse and another nurse, all of who say that even E's are performance enhancing, even if it's just a reduced ability to feel pain.,. . new arguement.

 

[Mitchell]

The idea of a discussion is that each refutes or agrees with certain points from the others arguement and then puts forward an arguement of their own, Just so you know.

It's not to just make stuff up out of what is clearly written based on your own biased view.

Is the comp or is it not called the NRL ?
Is the comp or is it not run from NSW ?

your absurd arguement about "you lot" ( another generalisation ) refuted.

If i found out either of those things I'd be living in dreamland, it's obtuse to say the least to imagine that Johns who has said in his own words that he went on the field "smashed" only "popped a pill on a friday after a game,. . I think we'll leave that defence to the little girls who go clubbing and come home a bit late, it's just lame and no one believes it,. . .also refuted.

My arguement once again is, Johns is a drug cheat,. . .end of story.

he does not make the ranks of immortal in my view, nor should he have been inducted into the sporting hall of fame. again my view.

Again, he badmouths other players adnauseum every week on radio or TV, and he used that medium to promote himself for it at every opportunity, and his fortunate on field talent from yesteryear ( where his aleged greatness saw him loose consistantly in SoO ) doesn't make up for his cumulative lifetime of misdeeds.

also , I could easily accept him if there was some fairness in the appointing that saw players who have given to the game tenfold what Johns has had made the cut, but Greats were overlooked for a drug cheat.

And FYI in our house at the moment we have a Doctor, a scientist in Pathology, a clinical ICU nurse and another nurse, all of who say that even E's are performance enhancing, even if it's just a reduced ability to feel pain.,. . new arguement.

I believe in 3 or 4 years time, when it comes time to pick another immortal, Mal will get his Guernsey. He is almost undoubtedly the best of the rest, and i have been saying for months that both Mal AND Joey should have been picked this time around.... they've done it in the past and i cant see why they couldnt do it again [pick two names].

.. but if the judges were determined to pick one player, then Joey is the stand out. If you cant see that lads, then you're watching the game with maroon tinted glasses and there is simply no reason to continue the discussion.... because he was the best. end of.

He could do things with the footy that no other player before him could do. Every halfback in the game today bases his game around Andrew Johns. He was the best defensive half the games' seen, and by definition, your #7 or your #6 will always have more ability than a centre for example [Mal]..

Exactly how or why do you think Joey came to have this reputation as the best #7 to play the game? Is it just a fluke?

Why do you think it's almost always halves [and now fullbacks] that win the Dally M medal? No reason why the Immortals judging system shouldnt work out the same way.

No one is suggesting that Mal wasnt a good player and didnt deserve it... but he's no Andrew Johns.

... Johns took drugs, but by my way of thinking he is not a drug cheat... Lance Armstrong [easy example, i know] is a drug 'cheat'........ you've said it yourself... 'Johns went on the field smashed'.... it doesnt matter how many doctors you have sitting in your house, if you're smashed, it's not gonna help your footy... do you honestly disagree with that?

I know im gonna open myself up for criticism here but i dont know any of you so whatever....... but when i was younger, after i turned 18 and before i met my partner, i took a few E's... you could probably count them on one hand, but still... i have first hand experience.... ask your nurse mates if they actually know what it's like? or if theyre only making assumptions based on the drug addicts, weirdos, and no hopers that they no-doubt deal with on the hospital

There is no way it would improve your game..... Alcohol numbs your senses as well, so does that mean if you go on to a footy field drunk you're at an advantage because you wont feel a hit? of course not. That's just a dumb thing to say.....

For the record, when i said 'you lot' i meant you lot on here... not 'up there in QLD'..

and also, Joey won more games for NSW than he lost, and the last time he played was the last time NSW won [in 2005]..

 

[TS-50]

To the winners go the spoils, that has always been the motto of State of Origin ; The winning team to host two of the three games for the following season. Easy.




Except if you're the NSWRL ( who laughingly call them selves National rather then NSW) then you take what was a queensland idea, a queensland game, and then change the rules to make proffit from it.

I've heard passionate NSW fans clain there is no favoritism toward NSW from the governing body, that there is no one sidedness, and that Queensland supporters are just whinging.

Wonder how they are going to explain the NswRL dcision to STEAL one of our games for 2013, outright!!

Yes we've had our games taken before to some malarky about playing in Melbourne, ok sure we want to expand the game and the NswRL is doing bugger all to help with that, but to change the rules to make money for the NswRL that should be in Queensland RL pockets is the lowest most disgusting act yet from the loosers in Blue yet.

Can we give the Bloosers and caning again this year coming? I reckon we'll se our boys penalised out of the games to make sure they win, its really the only way they will.

 

[Gerry]

Bury the bastards in all 3 games!!

 

[Racin Jason]

Whatthe?[sh]

 

[Bartman09]

Whatthe?[sh]

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