Nrl 2011!!!

[Mitchell]

The Bulldogs hadnt won anything, and if they had i'm sure they would have had it taken away...

Melbourne is effectively owned by the league... if they were going to do a job on anyone, it wouldnt have been the Storm.. They quite simply got what they deserved...

You Queenslanders seem to think that we in Sydney just get everything we want... try telling that to a Steelers supporter, or someone from Balmain or the Western suburbs... not to mention the Bears... South Sydney had to take the league to court, ffs...

You just have the shits because we get the Grand Final... And dont use the other leagues' as an example, because the AFL will never move their GF from the MCG, and the A-League doesnt have a 'spiritual home' so they can do whatever they want...

The reality is NSWRL was the premier rugby league competition in Australia for nearly 100 years, and Brisbane had to join it before QRL was taken seriously.... Sydney is the home of Rugby League whether you like it or not...

I am praying that Brisbane get a second team, then you'll all begin to understand the issues that we have to face down here... The Broncos effectively have an entire state to draw on and still only have about 1000 ticketed members more than the Dragons, Souths, and the Bulldogs... That's 30,000 members accross three clubs in one city... then you can add Penrith, Cronulla, the Tigers, Manly, the Roosters, who all have at least 3 or 4 thousand mebers..... what's gonna happen when your shitty 10,000 is split in two? not to mention the sponsors dollars...

*EDIT

You beat me to it Jason... bloody good post that

 

[Racin Jason]

And so was yours Mitchell![bw]

 

[Bartman09]

I am praying that Brisbane get a second team, then you'll all begin to understand the issues that we have to face down here... The Broncos effectively have an entire state to draw on and still only have about 1000 ticketed members more than the Dragons, Souths, and the Bulldogs... That's 30,000 members accross three clubs in one city... then you can add Penrith, Cronulla, the Tigers, Manly, the Roosters, who all have at least 3 or 4 thousand mebers..... what's gonna happen when your shitty 10,000 is split in two? not to mention the sponsors dollars...

What's a meber....[sh]...[crackup]

 

[Racin Jason]

What's a meber....[sh]...[crackup]

It could be one of those carbies that they put on the mighty E38/E49... oh wait, they were webers. Maybe it was a typo.[sh]

 

[TS-50]

Great post's and that is exactly what i was saying, thanks for the confirmation,. . . as I said , I havent even watched a game in years now, I lost interest when Gallop and his cronies started their persecution of the non sydney teams, they were even scrutenising catering contracts, and staff turnover in the kitchens, and how that affects the salary cap? , well you'll tell me i guess,


What makes me laugh is how you guys say "the bulldogs breached the salary cap" but the Storm "cheated" and won with an illegal team"

And yes the storm fiddled the books, they did not cheat, they did not play with an illegal team, they had accounting discrepancies due to two sets of accounts record keeping at club level .

I'm sure every club found ways of making their stars very happy with the contracts that had to exist under the salary cap, the fact is Gallop wasn't looking in Sydney he'd already got a team there, he was trying to cleanse the field by finding a team outside Sydney with the same crap.

After the penalty handed down to a couple of Pakistan's finest recently, the Storm has a case to appeal the Sydney Rugby League's penalties.

Also on the NRL ,. . .shouldn't the leader of the originseries be called the home of Rugby league, and therefore, shouldn't the NRL grand final be played at the home of League?

 

[Racin Jason]

Great post's and that is exactly what i was saying, thanks for the confirmation,. . . as I said , I havent even watched a game in years now, I lost interest when Gallop and his cronies started their persecution of the non sydney teams, they were even scrutenising catering contracts, and staff turnover in the kitchens, and how that affects the salary cap? , well you'll tell me i guess,


What makes me laugh is how you guys say "the bulldogs breached the salary cap" but the Storm "cheated" and won with an illegal team"

And yes the storm fiddled the books, they did not cheat, they did not play with an illegal team, they had accounting discrepancies due to two sets of accounts record keeping at club level .

I'm sure every club found ways of making their stars very happy with the contracts that had to exist under the salary cap, the fact is Gallop wasn't looking in Sydney he'd already got a team there, he was trying to cleanse the field by finding a team outside Sydney with the same crap.

After the penalty handed down to a couple of Pakistan's finest recently, the Storm has a case to appeal the Sydney Rugby League's penalties.

Also on the NRL ,. . .shouldn't the leader of the originseries be called the home of Rugby league, and therefore, shouldn't the NRL grand final be played at the home of League?

Yep TS, you are right! I will tell you.

The only persecution of non Sydney based teams, goes on in the head of some paranoid Queenslanders!

The ONLY reason catering contracts were being looked at is because thats where the whistle blower told them to look. The Melbourne players were receiving cash payments from the catering contractors in order to hide those payments from the NRL auditors.

Both the Bulldogs and the Storm breached the salarycap, therefore they both cheated!As a Bulldogs fan, that isn't easy to say, but it's fact! The Melbourne Storm DID play with an "illegal" team because the total sum of payments to the clubs top 25 players was over the limit prescribed under the salary cap, allowing them to circumvent the spreading of talent amongst the other 15 clubs.

Under the current rules, paying players outside of their registered NRL contract, via a third party, is a breach of the salary cap and is against the rules which all teams must abide by. Whether that rule is right or wrong is another debate altogether. I really don't understand what you mean when you say "at club level". Whatever level the books were kept at is irrelevant. The Storm didn't fiddle the books to minimize tax, they fiddled the books to beat the salary cap.

Every club has ways around the salary cap. There is another Sydney club that has a member of it's board selling VERY cheap properties "off the plan" to players and then he buys them back at or above the true market value. He then bills the club for "consultancy" fees to recoup the difference!!!!!! How the hell do you police that??????

Once again, Gallop[jk] wasn't looking, someone dumped the information about where to look in the NRL's lap. Don't give them that much credit, they aint that clever!

Comparing the Storms salary cap breach with those despicable Pakis is drawing a bit of a long bow.There isn't really much the two cases have in common. Ryan Tandy on the other hand, would be a much fairer comparison and he should be rubbed out for life, along with anyone else involved in that little debacle.[sa]

As for the venue for the Grand Final.... Origin is only a new thing if you look at the timeline of the history of Rugby League, so to determine the venue by who is leading the origin series is again drawing a long bow. There are many things that need to be taken into account when organising the Grand Final. You simply could not have the venue decided by who wins the Origin series half way through the season. It would be a logistical nightmare! I have no issue with the Grand Final being in Queensland if it is 2 Queensland teams(same as above for logistics but with even less time!). However, there is no venue in Queensland currently that will hold anywhere near the capacity of Homebush and as far as I know, the Grand Final is sold out every year.

I really don't know why or how Queenslanders have got this attitude that every NSW Rugby League supporter is anti- Queensland. I can assure you we are not, I really don't think David Gallop is anti- Queensland like you think either. I just think he is out of his depth. Due to the fact that he was one of News Limited's legal advisors during the super league war, he was parachuted into a position that he knew very little about and has been treading water ever since. The sooner he is goooone, the better!

 

[Mitchell]

Yep TS, you are right! I will tell you.

The only persecution of non Sydney based teams, goes on in the head of some paranoid Queenslanders!

The ONLY reason catering contracts were being looked at is because thats where the whistle blower told them to look. The Melbourne players were receiving cash payments from the catering contractors in order to hide those payments from the NRL auditors.

Both the Bulldogs and the Storm breached the salarycap, therefore they both cheated!As a Bulldogs fan, that isn't easy to say, but it's fact! The Melbourne Storm DID play with an "illegal" team because the total sum of payments to the clubs top 25 players was over the limit prescribed under the salary cap, allowing them to circumvent the spreading of talent amongst the other 15 clubs.

Under the current rules, paying players outside of their registered NRL contract, via a third party, is a breach of the salary cap and is against the rules which all teams must abide by. Whether that rule is right or wrong is another debate altogether. I really don't understand what you mean when you say "at club level". Whatever level the books were kept at is irrelevant. The Storm didn't fiddle the books to minimize tax, they fiddled the books to beat the salary cap.

Every club has ways around the salary cap. There is another Sydney club that has a member of it's board selling VERY cheap properties "off the plan" to players and then he buys them back at or above the true market value. He then bills the club for "consultancy" fees to recoup the difference!!!!!! How the hell do you police that??????

Once again, Gallop[jk] wasn't looking, someone dumped the information about where to look in the NRL's lap. Don't give them that much credit, they aint that clever!

Comparing the Storms salary cap breach with those despicable Pakis is drawing a bit of a long bow.There isn't really much the two cases have in common. Ryan Tandy on the other hand, would be a much fairer comparison and he should be rubbed out for life, along with anyone else involved in that little debacle.[sa]

As for the venue for the Grand Final.... Origin is only a new thing if you look at the timeline of the history of Rugby League, so to determine the venue by who is leading the origin series is again drawing a long bow. There are many things that need to be taken into account when organising the Grand Final. You simply could not have the venue decided by who wins the Origin series half way through the season. It would be a logistical nightmare! I have no issue with the Grand Final being in Queensland if it is 2 Queensland teams(same as above for logistics but with even less time!). However, there is no venue in Queensland currently that will hold anywhere near the capacity of Homebush and as far as I know, the Grand Final is sold out every year.

I really don't know why or how Queenslanders have got this attitude that every NSW Rugby League supporter is anti- Queensland. I can assure you we are not, I really don't think David Gallop is anti- Queensland like you think either. I just think he is out of his depth. Due to the fact that he was one of News Limited's legal advisors during the super league war, he was parachuted into a position that he knew very little about and has been treading water ever since. The sooner he is goooone, the better!

not much i can add to that... [bc]

 

[Bartman09]

To solve all the arguments why not just play the NRL Grand Final at the MCG the day after the AFL Grand Final and have a double header so to speak.
Now that would be HUGE....






[crackup][crackup]

 

[TS-50]

please don't categorise my comments as being all Queenslanders, I have a very different view to the majority who reckon the Storm deserved what they got.

I still think that if the Storm was a Sydney team they would have got the same penalty as the Dogs, . . . .[bgn]

I just happen to know some people in some areas of club level catering who told me that it was only the non Sydney teams being investigated for years, they had to act on the dogs because it went straight to the media, their hand was forced. (and I actually never knew that there was even an allegation that money went through the catering contractors to players, in melbourne, is that official ?)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-to-come-forward/story-e6frexnr-1225857124266

Gallop was after a non Sydney club, I don't know how you can be blinded to it, this is not about being from Qld, it from Sydney where since they reigned in the superleague, the non Sydney Teams continued to run away with the trophy year after year, and they all called for Grand finals to be played away if thats the way the cards fell at the end of the season for years.

last word,. . if Sydney is the home of League, why do more kids play soccer then League there?[crackup]

 

[Racin Jason]

please don't categorise my comments as being all Queenslanders, I have a very different view to the majority who reckon the Storm deserved what they got.

I still think that if the Storm was a Sydney team they would have got the same penalty as the Dogs, . . . .[bgn]

I just happen to know some people in some areas of club level catering who told me that it was only the non Sydney teams being investigated for years, they had to act on the dogs because it went straight to the media, their hand was forced. (and I actually never knew that there was even an allegation that money went through the catering contractors to players, in melbourne, is that official ?)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-to-come-forward/story-e6frexnr-1225857124266

Gallop was after a non Sydney club, I don't know how you can be blinded to it, this is not about being from Qld, it from Sydney where since they reigned in the superleague, the non Sydney Teams continued to run away with the trophy year after year, and they all called for Grand finals to be played away if thats the way the cards fell at the end of the season for years.

last word,. . if Sydney is the home of League, why do more kids play soccer then League there?[crackup]

TS, I don't think all Queenslanders share your point of view.

AGAIN... The difference in punishment was the timing and the fact that the Bulldogs didn't win a premiership in the period that they were found to be in breach of the cap, unlike Melbourne. The financial penalty was however, the same.

The reports of a rort at Melbourne were leaked, just the same as it was in the Bulldogs case, hence the bets being placed on Melbourne to win the wooden spoon well before anything was said by the NRL. The media WAS all over it! Diverting payments via the catering company was definitely one of the ways Melbourne was found to paying their players outside of the cap.

I still can't see how you could think Gallop was "after" a non Sydney club?[sh]
Giving the game another massive black eye for the sake of what? Keeping a trophy in Sydney? The cost doesn't justify the gain, if you could call it that.
I actually agree with the Rothfield article and don't see the relevance to supporting your argument.

The non SYdney Teams can call all they like about moving the Grand Final. As long as there isn't a venue big enough to match Homebush in Queensland, it ain't gonna happen!

I think you'll find that the statistics about who plays which football code are pretty much the same Australia wide. Soccer is Australias most popular junior sport along with netball.

 

[Snappa]

To solve all the arguments why not just play the NRL Grand Final at the MCG the day after the AFL Grand Final and have a double header so to speak.
Now that would be HUGE....

Or even Better we have an oval over here in hedland which could suffice

 

[Bartman09]

Or even Better we have an oval over here in hedland which could suffice

But can you fit 100,000 fans in there Snappa...[sh]

 

[Snappa]

But can you fit 100,000 fans in there Snappa...[sh]

yeah sure. But it will be a bugger trying to see anything from the back though[crackup]

 

[Quasi]

Broncs for the win!!
They've made the hard decision early.
Dragons will probably get the Minor Premiership but they'll blow it in the GF!

Some people made the same prediction last year....how did that work out for them?[bw]

Bulldogs will be stronger, maybe top 8 Wrong
Storm for the top 8, but miss the grand final
Bunnies to miss the top 8 in the final regular season match Correct (how the hell did I pick that?)
Raiders for the top 8 Wrong
Roosters top 4 Wrong
Broncos top 8, but bow out in the finals
Dragons to take 3rd straight minor premiership Wrong
Dragons to make the grand final
Sharks wooden spooners behind the Cowboys Wrong (on both counts)
NSW to take a close State Of Origin Wrong

 

[Gerry]

Some people made the same prediction last year....how did that work out for them?[bw]

Bulldogs will be stronger, maybe top 8
Storm for the top 8, but miss the grand final
Bunnies to miss the top 8 in the final regular season match
Raiders for the top 8
Roosters top 4
Broncos top 8, but bow out in the finals
Dragons to take 3rd straight minor premiership, and make the grand final
Sharks wooden spooners behind the Cowboys
NSW to take a close State Of Origin

Consistency is what counts Quasi!
The fact that Benny is leaving the Dragons this year to go back to the Broncs will play with their heads on the big occasion.

 

[Racin Jason]

It will be interesting to see if the Bennett situation effects the Dragqueens. I think it would be much better for the team if he makes his intentions clear one way or another so they can get on with it and concentrate on this season.[sh]

 

[Quasi]

What makes you think he hasn't?

Bennett will inform the players and the club of his decision well before the media butt sniffers ever find out, which means that professional bullshit artists...err, I mean journalists will continue to speculate and make up crap in order to sway opinion and have an influence over a situation that has nothing to do with them, to feed their own over bloated sense of importance.

 

[Quasi]

Consistency is what counts Quasi!

So far so good

The fact that Benny is leaving the Dragons this year to go back to the Broncs will play with their heads on the big occasion.

To go where?[crackup]

....and yes mate, I see Wayne's leaving having an effect already

 

[Gerry]

So far so good

To go where?[crackup]

....and yes mate, I see Wayne's leaving having an effect already

You can laugh!!
The Newcastle decision took a lot of people by surprise, including those supposedly in the know at the Broncs.

 

[Quasi]

Wasn't laughing at you mate, just all the general goings on that Bennet was returning to the Broncos