Is Skaifey the new Big Ed Wilbour?

[Nascar12]

Those under 30-35 yrs and not into speedway, may not have heard of this guy, so I'll try to explain.

Every year at the speedway the yanks would come to Aus. with their 4 car team, big Corvettes / camaros or what ever was the gun yank car at the time, painted up like old glory, to do battle with the local Aussie stars racing in things from minis, toranas, monaros etc.... Most years the team members would change but, without fail, there was one bloke that was always there, the captain, Big Ed Wilbour.

I heard that Big Ed was a pretty good racer in his time probably 20-30 years prior to my time as a spectator at the Ekka grounds. Now I think I saw Ed win one heat ever and out of a 4 car sprint,2 yank - 2 Aus. he'd be 3rd or 4th consistantly.

His strong point was that he was the captain always and he was the original loud mouth yank showman and villan. He could work the crowd, and get the Aussie drivers pi55ed off. He couldn't drive a greasy stick up you know what.....

Roll the clock forward to 2007. V8 supercars, there is a 4 car team, the main driver and captain has been around for donkeys years, had some pretty good success in the past and despite having the best car in the best team is consistantly being out performed by his team mates. He also is a showman and a villan, he can work the crowd and knows how to get the Ford drivers pi55ed off too.

Its only a matter of time before he too won't be able to drive a greasy stick up you know what!

His fans call him Skafiey, but I'll be calling him Big Ed.

 

[DJR-1980]

Yes I Remember Big Ed Wilbour Saw Him Race At Lismore Speedway In Mid To Late 80"s In Super Test Yep He Was The Original Loud Moud Yank And He Got The Crowd Work Up

 

[Nascar12]

Maybe Skaifey read this and got all fired up and won the damn round and the all time title this weekend.
Well, someone had to motivate the big lug......

Congrats to him, it is a big acheivement and he ought to be commended on it with out too many sour grapes from the Ford folk.

 

[Bigcol]

Sorry but i'll call him the w@nker that he is.

Along with Walkinshaw, Tander and Pr!ck

 

[Bigcol]

Skaifey seems to be happy with his new car.
They must have worn the original VE out they tested with it that much seeing the new car is supposed to be the same it's certainly a lot faster.

 

[TS-50]

quote:Originally posted by nascar12

Maybe Skaifey read this and got all fired up and won the damn round and the all time title this weekend.
Well, someone had to motivate the big lug......

Congrats to him, it is a big acheivement and he ought to be commended on it with out too many sour grapes from the Ford folk.

No Sour Grapes, from this "Folk"

However, The amount of wins that came from driving a vehicle in a class very much above the rest in the category back in the nissan days, certainly do reduce the whole impact of this acheivement, back then it wasn't just winning races it was plain easy.

Many people who are holden supporters look back to those time as the dark past.

So it's not Sour Grapes.[xx(]

 

[Bigcol]

Funny thing Ts if you count Brocks Bathurst, Sandowns and the endurance races Skaife still has around 30 to go.
It's too bloody hard to work what should be counted and what shouldn't be as the formats from each season vary that much

 

[Racin Jason]

I just wish they would hurry up and get caught cheating again!

 

[Nascar12]

Yeah Jason , that reminds me, did that HRT ownership issue(14 day limit in Feb this year), ever get resolved??

 

[Keith]

Yes it was ...... Who has cheated???

 

[Nascar12]

So Skaifey's nose is clean then?.............

 

[Keith]

You answered my question with a question. By the rules please show me where he or any others (ford or holden) have cheated??? is what I asked !!!! By any means I am not a holden or Skaife fan

However I am a fan of V8 Supercars Ford & DJR not in any order.

Some may see what goes on as cheating. However by the rules & what has been presented is all above board...

 

[Bigcol]

Well Keith i'd say setting up Holden Motorsport the way it was after the Walkinshaw colapse was a deliberate effort to skirt the rules regarding team ownership.
The Manufacturers aren't permitted to own teams under TEGA's TLA.
Under Holden Motorsport the only thing that Skaife and the Kelly's owned was the level 1 Franchise licence.
Holden Motorsport owned the cars, the equipment, the crew, the buildings ,the sponsors and everything else that was used in the day to day running of the HRT and Kmart/Toll.

Don't forget they were found to have an extra electronic device hidden in the ECU loom in Todd Kelly's car at one time . It was that well hidden that it had to be Xrayed to find it.
To me thats cheating

 

[Keith]

Bicol I have to agree On all acounts with you. They did try to skirt around it & was given the benefit of the doubt?. However On Paper it all appears squeaky clean ??Yes the loom was well hidden, As was the one on Stone Brother?s #4 Car a few years ago (not so well hidden) & DJR skirted around the trimming of the front under tray very nicely till JB had the big roll over on PI. (I guess its only human nature to push rules to the limit) ?..Its just annoying when silly statements like ?I just wish they would hurry up and get caught cheating again? evinces on ?Again? & some others with out any real ground to them.

 

[Bigcol]

Actually Keith the extra bit on the Stones car was a power feed plug. They used it to source power from it when they were having problems with a mi-fire at one of the rounds. Even the Electronics experts said they could not use a power feed from it in anyway that would be performance enhancing. The HRT one was way different because it was actually a resistor and diode hooked up to wires that weren't power feeds.

HRT last year were rumoured to be using free wheeling hubs that helped the turn in on the car. It's been outlawed this year.
Mate everybody will try and get an advantage some just do it better than others.
Remember one RPM program when Skaife and Richo were on. Woodsy asked if they had traction control in the early days. They said no with biggest smiles on there face and were laughing about it and trying to make a joke out of it.

 

[TS-50]

quote:Originally posted by Keith

?..Its just annoying when silly statements like ?I just wish they would hurry up and get caught cheating again? evinces on ?Again? & some others with out any real ground to them.

with all 4 cars dominating the racing in the early events and after the finish to the season last year where they proved they will use any and all tactics to win, having a little investigation gives us some drama between races.

 

[Keith]

What was the out come of the ?resistor and diode hooked up to wires that weren't power feeds.??? BigCol I agreed with what you have said?I guess my raising the Stone Brother?s Wire & Under tray was to point out that both side push these boundaries. There was no rules broken with traction control as there none as you pointed out it made them to reword the rules on it to ban any such use now?I am not sure if you watched Panel Beaters Wednesday night the Wash up after round 6.. The Wire of Stone Brother?s was mentioned in relation to the rear discs issue that was raised after EC round & places/points lost. That wire was grounds to Tightened up rules of what should be there & not be there. As we have both stated its Human Nature to push & bend any rules & laws. By doing this is it only cheating when they (holdens) do it & ok when we do (Ford)
CA 50 Drama is one word to describe it?I don?t think its only the 4 holdens will use any and all tactics to win the money that?s involved I think a lot of avenues? being looked at by all Teams.

 

[TS-50]

I have a limited knowledge of electronic circuits and componants, but it sounds like the intent of placing a resistor and a diode (if there was only one of each, unlikely)would be to limit output from a source, or limit imput to a meter or device, since a resistor restricts the flow of current and a diode will allow current to pass in a single direction and drop voltage slightly. In application this type of circuit would be parrallel to a power supply and typicaly a resistor would precede a diode ( could be an LED where the resistor limits flow to allow the LED to opperate but not get enough flow to damage it) Areading of the power supply would show full voltage without interuption even when a device or meter was in opperation.


As far as pushing the limits of what may or may not be controlled by the rules, we accept that, but when allegations are made that e.g. traction control is being used and a decision is made to ban it's use and because it was thought to be electronic;y controlled, mechanical traction control was used for quite some time and as bigcol pointed out, lied about by the participants, and a further change of the rules had to be implimented, or secreting a device inside a suposedly sealed unit, these are more than pushing boundaries, because they are done with intent and knowledge.
Similarly the claiming of the twr cars as seperate teams and then quite obviously working together as one team at PI last year shows knowledge and intent. the scenario is beyond reading the rules on a splitter and deciding it doesn't say we "can't" do this, or adding an extra wire to fix a misfire and forgetting to remove it for the race, or even fitting surplas rotors for use during non race publicity events to save costs and not removing them ( I bet one of the mechs got a smack on the hand for that) anyway, its not a holden thing as such it's more a TWR thing and even the other holden teams are making noise.

 

[Racin Jason]

So when you take a really good look at it Kieth, my comment wasn't so silly after all! To think it was made very much tongue-in-cheek too! Both sides will push the boundaries as much as they can and when there has been an infringement of the rules then I guess intent needs to be looked at.

It just happens that TWPG are the best cheats at the moment and what is wrong with hoping that they get brought back to the field??????

Silly????? Me thinks not!!! Chill out Keithy!

 

[Nascar12]

quote:Originally posted by TS-50

I have a limited knowledge of electronic circuits and componants, but it sounds like the intent of placing a resistor and a diode (if there was only one of each, unlikely)would be to limit output from a source, or limit imput to a meter or device, since a resistor restricts the flow of current and a diode will allow current to pass in a single direction and drop voltage slightly. In application this type of circuit would be parrallel to a power supply and typicaly a resistor would precede a diode ( could be an LED where the resistor limits flow to allow the LED to opperate but not get enough flow to damage it) Areading of the power supply would show full voltage without interuption even when a device or meter was in opperation.



anyway, its not a holden thing as such it's more a TWR thing and even the other holden teams are making noise.

A LIMITED knowledge of electrics, TS? You're too modest!



That been my exact belief since round 2. If nothing sus is going on, why are the 4 red commies consistantly in front by so far than the other commies? The closest cars are all of the top Ford teams.

There isnt another holden that will run a 1st, 2nd or 3rd this year.

When Holden have crew cheifs like Grech, drivers like McConville, dare I say - Murf, Jason Richards, Holdsworth, and Canto (who had more success than young Thompson during his stint with DJR-he CAN drive), etc.... and they can't make an impression on HRT / HSV something could warrant a little further investigation.