Cochbrain ; how can anyone be so full of themself ?

[TS-50]

After the two rounds in the Middle East, Cochbrain was bragging that V8 Supercars was now the worlds most watched sporting event (tosser) with it going live to over 160 countries, and the speel went on and on .

The real story is , . . . . the events (some of them) only actually went out live to Australia and new Zealand! but , . . . also a highlights package went to a syndicated network in Europe, . . . yup, recorded , not even live.


However, no one could say whether any of the package footage actually even went to air[jk]


I just can't understand how this wanker can continue to bullshit his way around, making our category almost unaffordable and telling out and out porky's about how these overseas events are beneficial.

It time Cochbrain was shown the door![rt]

 

[Bigcol]

Unfortunately the whole show is selling out the average Australian fan.

Cocho is a knob and a leach and will bleed this sport for what he can.
Unfortunately he has the blessings of the team owners who are also making a heap out of the state government funded street races and the journey to the camels armpit

 

[DJR-XR8]

Cochrane and Skaife will stuff this, Take my word for it, if what I hear is correct that will be the end like 1987 all over again.

With Nissan, Kia, and few others gaining momentem, and with the rumoured 4 Litre V8's to be introduced, It will be game over and will basically become DTM.

Its time to go, Cock and Big nose!

 

[Tips 507]

Most watched sporting event.

I think I seen approx. 5 secs of coverage over the GP weekend and that is more news time than the Territory got for both desert rounds.

We only get the news on the major events ( Clipsal, Bathurst etc. ), and only because they are events, not sport. Now the footy season has started 7 will play the ping pong instead and replay the Saturday race at 1am the next morning. This, Sandy Roberts, is why pay TV should be entitled to sporting events. "Show it live or let someone else show it."

Gee the Roosters and Broncos looked strong on the weekend.

 

[Quasi]

The same situation exists when these numptys quote crowd figures at each race weekend.

200,000+ at Adelaide sounds impressive...until you break it down to number of weekend pass holders being around 70,000, that entered the gates each day. Still a very good number, and more than a normal weekly rugby league game......but since Nascar get more than that at most races in a day, and over 100,000 for Daytona, it begins to pale. Add to that how many of the 250,000,000 Americans watch it on TV, plus overseas viewers on both live and delayed telecast (or online), and it looks more and more like the usual TCBS.

Formula 1 would have a larger viewing audience, as would American football, or baseball for that matter. Then there's soccer....not even going to guess what the number is on that one.

Even AFL, with 50,000+ at most matches, and several million TV viewers across Australia.

The guy has been dillusional for years and simply puts the spin on everything to justify his over-bloated salary. The sad and insulting bit of it all is that he thinks so lowly of the fans, and is so self-obsessed, that he believes that we believe his BS, because we're not smart enough to know any better.

 

[Antg]

I often sit back and wonder if they think the average fan is an idiot the way they quote crowd figures. The only person that would even come close to being as bigger tool as Cochrane would be Simon McNamara head of Holden Motorsport, that guy is an A-grade tosser. As for Cochrane thinking its the most watched sporting event, seems he's forgotten about the likes of NASCAR, Motogp, F1.......should I go on.

 

[Bigcol]

Those crowd figures are nothing but crap.

The state government has been asking who actually pays to get into the Surfers race and it's no where near what Cochbrane claims

 

[Antg]

A friend used to work for Qld tourism, every year I was offered 4 free weekend passes to Indy. I went once, hated it, and haven't been back since. The atmosphere was good but if you wanted to see the racing you're better off staying at home on the couch with a cold beer.

 

[Quasi]

That something I hadn't factored into my post also....free ticket holders.

I went to the GMC400 years ago on a free ticket from the government department I had been doing IT for. There were four of us, and I know ACT Tourism handed out a pile of the things to get numbers up, so there's even more air out of Cochbrane's balloon.

 

[Wrath]

I have seen this sport come out of the flanny wearing bogan base that it was back in the 80s to the masses the sport does apeal to today . The rounds in Wa and Tassie would be delayed telecast by a week or two even as late as group A days . The tv add by Pink is a hit with the female side of fans, it draws intrest from that demographic and is also a hit with a young audience and that will pay dividends down the track when the next round of TV rights have to be negotiated . All the man is doing is pomoting the sport trying to attract intrest ,fans , sponcers to his series against two rival football codes and he has done a great job so far, the sport was in a hell of a mess before he came along - Think some of you guys have a short memory .

 

[Jaguarstd]

I have seen this sport come out of the flanny wearing bogan base that it was back in the 80s to the masses the sport does apeal to today . The rounds in Wa and Tassie would be delayed telecast by a week or two even as late as group A days . The tv add by Pink is a hit with the female side of fans, it draws intrest from that demographic and is also a hit with a young audience and that will pay dividends down the track when the next round of TV rights have to be negotiated . All the man is doing is pomoting the sport trying to attract intrest ,fans , sponcers to his series against two rival football codes and he has done a great job so far, the sport was in a hell of a mess before he came along - Think some of you guys have a short memory .

Ballsy post Wrath! The V8's have a lot of competition for audience numbers from other sports. Like it or not the V8 Supercars are a big business sport now.

For as long as there is a car running around with a djr logo on it I will remain a loyal fan of the sport!

 

[Bigcol]

Sorry Wrath but i can see past the glitzy add's and flashy rock concerts.

V8's were growing nicely before Cochrane came along and although you're right with the delayed telecast nothing has changed. Look at the first 2 rounds and really nothing is live anymore. My concerns are the whole motorsport thing in Australia is under threat. The grass roots of this sport are at breaking strain and the governing body , CAMS made the biggest **** up in the world by letting AVESCO/VESA dictate the terms on everything that happens when they're in town.
The reason why the supports catagories are crap is because Cochrane is asking huge dollars for them to race at a V8 meeting. They can't afford that. In the old days a guy could get a HQ or Gemini going for the year for less than 20 grand. For that he could do 2 nationally telecast events being the ATCC and INDY. Asking price for sponsorship for a support of such was around 10 grand per event which means it was all paid for in 2 events.
The other side of that is now these cheaper high entertainment categories have fallen by the wayside CAMS is now struggling for dollars because they aren't getting the driver licence fees. Which then has a flow on effect at indentifying and nurturing talent

The permanent tracks are in danger of disappearing from the premier catagory as well. You can't ask a circuit to upgrade facilities while you're taking the cream and charging half a million in sanction fees.
Now the circuits themselves have to also shoulder some of the blame. Lakeside for instance didn't get a cent spent on it from the first time i went there in 1979 till when they stopped racing there.
Yet the owners of that time seemingly lived of the money.
Cochranes street circuits are fine for making money but only bogans and flat cap ****wits and their VN's and ricer shitboxes will try to do hotlaps of a street circuit, usually after all the barriers are long gone.
Up and coming drivers can't fine tune their skills or their cars at Indy and they can't do it at Homebush. Street races are great for VESA's wallets and thats all and even then the state governments that host these rounds will start wanting better returns for there money and after VESA have finished there's nothing left for governments. VESA profits from the taxpayer.

VESA have some tough decisions to make. Ease back their profiteering or keep buldgeoning the sport for every cent while all those that helped build the circus get screwed and before you know it the whole shooting match is falling over.

VESA are screwing the pooch while taking huge dollars away from the sport and from where it's needed to keep the sport growing.
The sad thing is the team owners seem to be quite happy letting this happen

I'd be interested to hear Henrys view as well as others.

 

[Wrath]

Given that in 1995-6 the main series was not in a healthy state at all with the teams being told what to do when to do it and for how much money , then a promoter came along and saw the teams how they were being treated and knew the the act should controll the show not the other way around Bathurst was run by three groups in 1996 channel 7 (ARDC) and Bathurst city council and they all did very well out of it but the teams were treated very bad.

In Adelaide in 1999 the first race there( sole v8 race ) 156 000 people turned out for that event over the weekend just in 10 years this event had grown to 280 000 -290 000 people over the weekend not a bad effort .

We tried selling AFL overseas nobody is interested outside Australia but we see the V8s going to 130 countries with more tv time on australian telivision then ever before with even a magazine style show V8 extra the man has got more race going fans , people watching ,sponcers to the sport and telivision rights than ever before and is growing and growing and that is the fan base for all the grass roots motorsport its no good being buried in the back pages of the newspaper.

 

[Quasi]

Given that in 1995-6 the main series was not in a healthy state at all with the teams being told what to do when to do it and for how much money

How is that different to the current regime?

In Adelaide in 1999 the first race there( sole v8 race ) 156 000 people turned out for that event over the weekend just in 10 years this event had grown to 280 000 -290 000 people over the weekend not a bad effort .

I think these figures are inflated, but I've already covered it, so won't go over it again.

I still enjoy V8SC, but to be honest not every round. Adelaide this year was the best racing I had seen in quite some time. The two races were exciting, almost edge of the seat stuff, whereas the two rounds prior to that were so boring that when Whincup took the lead in the early laps at Bahrain (race 2 I think) I actually turned the TV off and went to find something else to do.

Flashy advertising is fine, except when it forgets that people over 21 years old watch V8SC too, but what is the use of of getting new fans in when the racing is so boring that lifelong fans turn it off through boredom.

As much as I have no problem with SOME overseas rounds, at the moment the tracks are unexciting to watch the sport racing on I'm afraid......but money talks and since the sheiks are putting so much money in TC's pocket this situation won't change anytime soon.

As for the advertising, will we see a version of this ad next year that actually keeps up with team changes? Take a closer look at that TV commercial and you'll see that about half the drivers in it aren't even driving for that team, or brand of car, anymore (it was obviously filmed quite a long time ago when Pink was in Australia and about the start of V8SC silly season).

 

[TS-50]

Given that in 1995-6 the main series was not in a healthy state at all with the teams being told what to do when to do it and for how much money , then a promoter came along and saw the teams how they were being treated and knew the the act should controll the show not the other way around Bathurst was run by three groups in 1996 channel 7 (ARDC) and Bathurst city council and they all did very well out of it but the teams were treated very bad.

hmmmm, I think promoter is not the description of what the Cochbrain agenda is for V8's, if it was soley about hammy advertising, and getting bums on seats, we would not be complaining , it's the way the sport is being run down, . . . . . . the Cochbrain agenda seems to be exactly like the old F1 format ,. . . and it'll go the same way if there is not some curbing of blowing out costs and reduction of a brands shop front (there are half the number of Fords now, is that another one of Cochbrain's great ideas ? I'd like to know how that can be justified as good for the category.)

In Adelaide in 1999 the first race there( sole v8 race ) 156 000 people turned out for that event over the weekend just in 10 years this event had grown to 280 000 -290 000 people over the weekend not a bad effort .

So the fact that the population of Adelaide and regional areas closer to it have almost doubled in that time and the fact that there are now very competitive flights and accomidation packages has absolutely nothing to do with growth in numbers at the round? statistically speaking the number of attendances to population increase in Adelaide and surrounds is actually down slightly.. . .but have it your way.

We tried selling AFL overseas nobody is interested outside Australia but we see the V8s going to 130 countries with more tv time on australian telivision then ever before with even a magazine style show V8 extra the man has got more race going fans , people watching ,sponcers to the sport and telivision rights than ever before and is growing and growing and that is the fan base for all the grass roots motorsport its no good being buried in the back pages of the newspaper.

It has been stated that in reality the majority of the syndicated countries where this corporate deal has given footage to is NOT putting it to air and in most cases not even the highlights package is getting air time axcept at the actual OS rounds and only where they happen. As for sponcers, all teams seem to be struggling to get and keep new long term big dollar sponsors, it just requires too much investment for the exposure given and that's because of blatent favouritism by the TV production crew where the few favourites are shown in procession lap after lap while the race leaders are at times not even covered, let alone second and third place.
I don't for one minute accept that Cochbrain has come up with one genuine original idea or format line that has benefitted every team inthe category equally, and as I've already said the parrallel's with the old F1 fomat are strikingly similar.

At the end of the day there were some that probaly said Hitler was a good guy, I mean you are entitled to your opinion and I'm not about to personally bag you for having it, but the facts are there, and they support what most people are saying , and that's simply that Cochbrain is on a power trip and is running V8's down by making the whole thing too costly for both teams and fans.


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