DJR Team Penske could enlist American help

[Poita]

DJR TEAM Penske could still lean on the US arm of the Team Penske business, despite being told it could not build its chassis at its Mooresville, Charlotte facility.

The Queensland team had planned to outsource its chassis builds to the US team before a V8 Supercars rule change scuppered the plans.Despite this, Managing Director Ryan Story says the US-base of the motorsport giant could be called upon for larger Gen2 Supercar projects.“There’s still some opportunities for manufacturing in particular, but I think where that expertise will come into its own is if we embark upon a Gen2 project, particularly on the engine front,” Story told AA.“When you look at Ilmor (race engine design and building organisation) in particular and the tremendous expertise there and the various groups of what they’ve managed to achieve on the IndyCar and NASCAR side, there is tremendous potential for us to lean on that expertise with whatever happens to come next. There’s been a couple of smaller projects where we’ve utilised some US-based resources. I think it will really come to the fore when we embark upon on a major project like that.”
Story added the potential for the team to build its chassis in the US was an open invitation for other teams to utilise the service and save costs.“It was disappointing because Team Penske has been quite open with the category from day one on what the intentions were,” he added. “That was to utilise greater economies of what was going to be three race teams there. Our intention was to make chassis overseas and make those available to anyone who wants to buy them. It was about efficiencies across the board and knowing the product of what we have.“We’re very happy with the product we have now, but we know through the expertise gained, particularly on the NASCAR side of things where they’re making a dozen-plus chassis per year per car in the Sprint Cup, they have the ability to produce identical cookie cutter style chassis of a very high standard with minimal fuss.“We respect the rules as they are, or as they will be with the change they’re bringing into effect. What’s disappointing is that it’s another reactionary change. We’re seeing that happen probably a bit more often than we would ultimately like.”

Looks like Dane was a little worried his monopoly on the category was going to be in danger.[jk]

 

[TS-50]

What’s disappointing is that it’s another reactionary change. We’re seeing that happen probably a bit more often than we would ultimately like.”

Looks like Dane was a little worried his monopoly on the category was going to be in danger.[jk]

More than a little worried, while every team plays catch up at the release of each new Chassis they haven't had to , this could have been a game changer.

 

[djr18fan]

More than a little worried, while every team plays catch up at the release of each new Chassis they haven't had to , this could have been a game changer.

Of course T8 isn't the only team that make their own chassis. So not the only team with this imagined advantage?
Also even T8 may make small changes when they release a replacement chassis to themselves so they still have to play catch up on it?
And if the chassis doesn't change - then it's the same as the one it replaces (at team Techno for example) so no catching up required?

 

[TS-50]

Of course T8 isn't the only team that make their own chassis. So not the only team with this imagined advantage?
Also even T8 may make small changes when they release a replacement chassis to themselves so they still have to play catch up on it?
And if the chassis doesn't change - then it's the same as the one it replaces (at team Techno for example) so no catching up required?

I'm referring to chassis development for the category, . .not their own and customer build chassis' .. as you say every team that builds their own chassis could effectively stumble upon some kind of advantage, . . you seem to be an ardent T888 supporter is that because of jizzburgler's move there?

 

[djr18fan]

Sorry. Thought when you said every new chassis, you meant every new chassis.
I wasn't aware there was any chassis development being done on behalf of the category by anyone. They released a control chassis a few years ago. Thought that was the end of it. Please explain more as I am interested in if this development will reduce costs or improve the racing.

Certainly not a t8 supporter. However I do rate van gisbergen as the best driver. Could cope with it while he was in a privateer team. The only thing worse than him at t8 would be if he was at hrt.

 

[TS-50]

There is always chassis development being done, if not for parity reasons then for testing viability of new control parts etc.

 

[Gerry]

I believe that Supercars and some pommie fella are now dreamin' up a new rule that says if they don't like it then DJRTP can't do it.

 

[djr18fan]

There is always chassis development being done, if not for parity reasons then for testing viability of new control parts etc.

Oh, so control part development then. Not chassis development.
I wasn't aware there was any control part development being done on behalf of the category by anyone. They released control components a few years ago. Thought that was the end of it. Didn't know any had changed since introduction. Please explain more as I am interested in if this development will reduce costs or improve the racing.

 

[Markus]

I`m starting to wonder who makes the rules....V8sc or Roland Dane?

 

[Hardies Hero]

So theoretically, Super Black will never be allowed to build a chassis in NZ?

 

[djr18fan]

Well it's not quite as far for officials to travel to inspect and seal, but I can't imagine superblack ever making their own chassis. And it doesn't make any sense for them to make one in NZ anyway.
If T8 were the first team to suggest building a chassis overseas - imagine the outcry here.

 

[TS-50]

Well it's not quite as far for officials to travel to inspect and seal, but I can't imagine superblack ever making their own chassis. And it doesn't make any sense for them to make one in NZ anyway.
If T8 were the first team to suggest building a chassis overseas - imagine the outcry here.

Again, . . you seem to be supporting T888. . .

Look,this is a DJR forum, for DJR and now DJR/TP supporters, . .if some other team is getting a perceived advantage, actual or not, over OUR team, why wouldn't we question it? . . you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.

Now getting back to the story here, DJR/TP didn't sneak overseas and build a Chassis, they, through the TP relationship have access to Chassis building technology they believe is better in several ways including weld consistency, tube thickness consistency, and correctness of shape more precisely, and also and overall stiffness and strength improvement, and lower cost , . . and they have offered their service to any team who also would avail themselves of it's availability and done so by putting a proposal to V8supercars for discussion and to receive the nod or shake, and in this instance it was a NO.

Remember T888 has built Chassis for DJR in the past, . it is a commercial decision. ..

Sometimes people need to just chill, and stop looking for hairs to split in every story printed, and look at who they support, why and whether they are really committed to that team. ..

 

[djr18fan]

Once again, not a T8 supporter. Very much a DJRTP supporter. I would be amongst those questioning if any other team wanted to build overseas.
Sorry but I also believe in being fair and sporting. I won't make ridiculous accusations about other teams. I will read an article and form an opinion based on the words in the article. Coming up with conspiracies by using your imagination is fun I suppose. Perhaps you, and others, could put an icon at the end of your sentences to show when you are just kidding. (Thanks Gerry) I may have been mistaken in thinking some of the comments in this topic were serious.

 

[TS-50]

Look bud,. . . we are all entitled to our opinion, YOU however seem to think your opinion should carry more weight than any other opinion . . for some reason only known to you,. .


Feel free to present facts to dispute any conspiracy theories, and summations or any conjecture, . . but FFS don't try to tell us that your opinion is more valid than anyone else's opinion, . .

Just so you know this is a forum, not an encyclopedia. .

 

[Hardies Hero]

Well it's not quite as far for officials to travel to inspect and seal, but I can't imagine superblack ever making their own chassis. And it doesn't make any sense for them to make one in NZ anyway.
If T8 were the first team to suggest building a chassis overseas - imagine the outcry here.

Back on topic.. My point was, if we (DJRTP) cant build a chassis offshore then neither should anyone else be able to build one offshore down the track hence the reference to Super Black as they are officially based in NZ, V8SC are setting a massive precedence here on this one.

 

[Hardies Hero]

DJR TEAM Penske could still lean on the US arm of the Team Penske business, despite being told it could not build its chassis at its Mooresville, Charlotte facility.

restraint of trade

• action that interferes with free competition in a market.
  
  
  
  • a clause in a contract that restricts a person's right to carry on their trade or profession.
    
  
  
  

 

[Bigcol]

DJRTP should just go and build one overseas.
It's a control chassis so suspension pick up points and the structure all remain the same. Even the tube type and thickness are supposed to be a control item.

Those drop kicks at V8 Superfarce can't say you can't run it, because it is technically the same as a control chassis.

Problem being here is those muppets at Superfarce would have rang up that arsehole irishman and asked what he thought.
He would have said no way they can't do that..... and Superfarce would have said yes Boss

Same with everything those $$$%$## build. Way over priced and everyone gets the old spec till TedBullpit develops something else.

Every control item should be made by a company that doesn't race in this series.

and on the Jizz. I can't wait till that muppet takes either Lowndes or Whincup out.
His attitude is crap and he'll either ask for a release or Dane will show him the door

 

[TS-50]

DJRTP should just go and build one overseas.
It's a control chassis so suspension pick up points and the structure all remain the same. Even the tube type and thickness are supposed to be a control item.

Those drop kicks at V8 Superfarce can't say you can't run it, because it is technically the same as a control chassis.

Problem being here is those muppets at Superfarce would have rang up that arsehole irishman and asked what he thought.
He would have said no way they can't do that..... and Superfarce would have said yes Boss

Same with everything those $$$%$## build. Way over priced and everyone gets the old spec till TedBullpit develops something else.

Every control item should be made by a company that doesn't race in this series.

and on the Jizz. I can't wait till that muppet takes either Lowndes or Whincup out.
His attitude is crap and he'll either ask for a release or Dane will show him the door

[bw]


And yep, Jizzburgler will "behave" for a while, but sooner or later it will happen, . .[bgn]

 

[TS-50]

restraint of trade

• action that interferes with free competition in a market.
  
  
  
  • a clause in a contract that restricts a person's right to carry on their trade or profession.
    
  
  
  

Thinking outside the box

When V8's went to CoTF every single item in the contract that is a control item that is built exclusively for the category and can't be sourced from other suppliers because of that would also fall into this grey area of restraint of trade ( depending on how you read the law and how good your legal people are)
With most of the teams trying to use every dollar available to them to get their cars on the grid and try to make them competitive, I doubt many teams would have the cash to splash on dissecting contract wording in a courtroom . .

With this being a new development in the category, a new technology building a better stronger cheaper chassis , . maybe it it worth testing the water for customers , and once orders or expressions of interest were actually on the table, . . then maybe the restraint of trade would come into play .

 

[Racin Jason]

I would be calling their bluff! Or go and race GT3......