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Charlie Schwerkolt
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Hmmm. It didn't sound quite right to me, so I've looked up the regs and he does NOT have to use #18 at all. A simple email to VESA from Charlie requesting another number is all it takes to change the number.
E3.5 Change of Number3.5.1 Teams may request V8 Supercars to change one or more of their current numbers for
an unallocated number or numbers.
There is also a clause further down permitting teams to swap numbers where there is an advantage for the series as a whole to allow it. Can't imagine any VESA team owner in their right mind apposing a swap if djr happened to secure another licence . The alternative just pisses fans off.
Can't quite work out why he said this to us....we're reasonably perceptive fans....given the commercial foolishness of fighting over a championship number...not sure what could be gained by feeding us that.
I'm a little disappointed...but whatever.
Anyway gday all...hope everyone's well. Haven't been on for a while. Great to see Pete, Midge, Darren and Chris HH on this trip. Had a brilliant time spent with my life long mate DJR-FAN.
Aaron
Can't quite work out why he said this to us....we're reasonably perceptive fans....given the commercial foolishness of fighting over a championship number...not sure what could be gained by feeding us that.
I'm a little disappointed...but whatever.
Anyway gday all...hope everyone's well. Haven't been on for a while. Great to see Pete, Midge, Darren and Chris HH on this trip. Had a brilliant time spent with my life long mate DJR-FAN.
Aaron
Racin Jason
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Well that confirms a suspicion I have had for a while. CS is full of shit![tsk] How much of the other stuff he has told people is rubbish too?
Racin Jason
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I'll go a step further. If Charlie[jk] does take the number 18 away out of spite, his will be the ONLY Ford I would want to see in the wall every time it races.[f]
If he's using #18 now he is acting purely out of spite for DJR. He ought to look at the bigger picture and think for the sake of his future profile in this sport and use an alternative number. He's obviously still dirty with DJR, now he is sticking it to the DJR fans.
CSR will have a lot of trouble getting a fan base - a new team, one car outfit, won't be competitive, JC's mediocre performances, and not many fans can identify with Charlie.
Anyone for an informal online petition to leave #18 at DJR?[sh]
Otherwise I'm with Jason on this one.
CSR will have a lot of trouble getting a fan base - a new team, one car outfit, won't be competitive, JC's mediocre performances, and not many fans can identify with Charlie.
Anyone for an informal online petition to leave #18 at DJR?[sh]
Otherwise I'm with Jason on this one.
The leaves and ceremony granted to CS in his role as head of DJR saw him put on the board, become a minor celebrity up and down pitlane and he began to believe his own marketing, that without him there was no DJR ,. . .thats what's really behind this. His offer for the Johnson family to get the hell out of DJR was not just rejected, he was fought to the end and he lost, sure he got what he was entitled to but he didn't become "MR DJR" which is what he seemed to be thinking he was.
When Chris read out at a past Team Mate meeting what it meant to be a Team Mate, CS was not listening, he should have.
I'm with RJ and the others here, spite will see CS take 18, but will not win him any support from me.
To Charlie, it's over dude, walk away knowing you helped out, knowing you had your RC and driver in the Team and won the championship, and knowing that you are a man not some little bitch intent on petty revenge for unseen or imagined wrongs done to you. grow a pair and move on!!![rt]
When Chris read out at a past Team Mate meeting what it meant to be a Team Mate, CS was not listening, he should have.
I'm with RJ and the others here, spite will see CS take 18, but will not win him any support from me.
To Charlie, it's over dude, walk away knowing you helped out, knowing you had your RC and driver in the Team and won the championship, and knowing that you are a man not some little bitch intent on petty revenge for unseen or imagined wrongs done to you. grow a pair and move on!!![rt]
I think you're all being a bit hard on Charlie.
DJR were well and truly up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe without a paddle before he came along and bailed them out. FFS employees weren't even being paid but others were still putting their hands out for a huge weekly pay packet.
Don't think for one minute DJR would have won without a 888 FG.
If it wasn't for Charlie and the 888 deal there is no way a Beehag FG could have won with Courtney at the helm.
We all saw the results that somebody as driven as CS got and how the team went from mid pack to constant front runners. DJR and the Johnson family owe CS and If CS has the shits with them thats his perogative. He tipped in a lot of money and probably walked away with a lot less than he put in.
Look at this years results. Speaks volumes.
Without him there might not have been a DJR as we know it today.
Be thankful for what he bought to the team and lucky for DJR they found another white knight in the Crimsafe man
DJR were well and truly up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe without a paddle before he came along and bailed them out. FFS employees weren't even being paid but others were still putting their hands out for a huge weekly pay packet.
Don't think for one minute DJR would have won without a 888 FG.
If it wasn't for Charlie and the 888 deal there is no way a Beehag FG could have won with Courtney at the helm.
We all saw the results that somebody as driven as CS got and how the team went from mid pack to constant front runners. DJR and the Johnson family owe CS and If CS has the shits with them thats his perogative. He tipped in a lot of money and probably walked away with a lot less than he put in.
Look at this years results. Speaks volumes.
Without him there might not have been a DJR as we know it today.
Be thankful for what he bought to the team and lucky for DJR they found another white knight in the Crimsafe man
Its a hard situation for us fans, God only knows how hard it was for the employees at that stage when Charlie came onboard. I don't think anyone here is ungrateful for Charlies contribution on how he saved DJR.
But now...
Its just that to me he's now taking things a step further, when he doesn't need to by publicly taking the #18 from DJR and putting it on his car. Everybody in V8's, all the fans and racing teams know 17 and 18 is DJR.
And so it appears that he doesn't have to use #18. So is he's not being honest to the DJR fans, i.e. people like us and the financial DJR team mates, who held him in such high regard for saving the team earlier?
But now...
Its just that to me he's now taking things a step further, when he doesn't need to by publicly taking the #18 from DJR and putting it on his car. Everybody in V8's, all the fans and racing teams know 17 and 18 is DJR.
And so it appears that he doesn't have to use #18. So is he's not being honest to the DJR fans, i.e. people like us and the financial DJR team mates, who held him in such high regard for saving the team earlier?
It's not a matter of being too hard on Charlie, the question is why is he treating us like idiots and friggin' lying to us?
If he came out and said for example, "look i paid forthe car that had 18 on it, so i think the number goes with the car, i believe it's mine and i friggin want it!!" then I'd accept it, but to come out saying, what quotes above from the rules show is lies as to why he wants the number is condecending and arrogant .
I also don't think just because someone puts in a heap of cash and then tears the team apart so they can run one car with all the resources even if it wins the championship, means the team should be given to them or ruined as a result of their departure.
There's no doubt that Charlie was the most significant componant of Crashney's win, he monopolised DJR resources, he controlled ( read Babyied) crashney, and he was rewarded with all the kudos a team owner/manager can be given, and he relished it, he tasted champagne, and he though he was it. Charlie was never DJR and never would have been, never will be.
I also don't blame him for wanting more, but to try to take away a man's team was not the way, and even now he should just get on with it and leave petty retaliation behind.
[bgn]
If he came out and said for example, "look i paid forthe car that had 18 on it, so i think the number goes with the car, i believe it's mine and i friggin want it!!" then I'd accept it, but to come out saying, what quotes above from the rules show is lies as to why he wants the number is condecending and arrogant .
I also don't think just because someone puts in a heap of cash and then tears the team apart so they can run one car with all the resources even if it wins the championship, means the team should be given to them or ruined as a result of their departure.
There's no doubt that Charlie was the most significant componant of Crashney's win, he monopolised DJR resources, he controlled ( read Babyied) crashney, and he was rewarded with all the kudos a team owner/manager can be given, and he relished it, he tasted champagne, and he though he was it. Charlie was never DJR and never would have been, never will be.
I also don't blame him for wanting more, but to try to take away a man's team was not the way, and even now he should just get on with it and leave petty retaliation behind.
[bgn]
Lads
While it's fun to Charlie bash and speculate on the possibility this is vendetta based, Mick and I simply wanted to point the conflicting info out. I, and I suspect none of us, have any idea what commercial and/or other circumstances are involved in him wanting to take 18, or suggesting to us that he had no choice. Who's to say this isn't a decision reached by the owners board...I can't think of why...and I reckon it's the wrong decision, but there might be other shite at play here.
Just a speculator......Charlie has won Jim Beam exclusive sponsorship for his one car, car 18, the championship car...driven by James Courtney, the champion winning driver for 2013.....fully backed by fpr...without all the bs of multi car teams with all the advantages of multi car teams....put your elegance aside for a sec....have I just described the deal of the century, for owner, driver and sponsor? That's what this game is about after all......don't worry, just me speculating.
While it's fun to Charlie bash and speculate on the possibility this is vendetta based, Mick and I simply wanted to point the conflicting info out. I, and I suspect none of us, have any idea what commercial and/or other circumstances are involved in him wanting to take 18, or suggesting to us that he had no choice. Who's to say this isn't a decision reached by the owners board...I can't think of why...and I reckon it's the wrong decision, but there might be other shite at play here.
Just a speculator......Charlie has won Jim Beam exclusive sponsorship for his one car, car 18, the championship car...driven by James Courtney, the champion winning driver for 2013.....fully backed by fpr...without all the bs of multi car teams with all the advantages of multi car teams....put your elegance aside for a sec....have I just described the deal of the century, for owner, driver and sponsor? That's what this game is about after all......don't worry, just me speculating.
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We don't know what the VE$I board has said or done. How do you know that the board hasn't said the REC is for 18 and you have to use it.
Like i said if it means that much to DJR apply to keep it and let CS get his own number.
Without the CS cash the creditors would have been tearing the team apart and maybe you should have a look at the original succesion plan that involved CS taking over DJR with another cash payout and DJ retiring.
As far as putting all the resources into car 18. Well it's been quite ****ing obvious to me since the mid 00s that car 17 was never going to challenge for the championship so for a team thats on it's knees financially, it makes good sense to give your best car the best chance of winning.
As far as trying to take a mans team off him. Well if you or i spent a fortune on something where the original promise was for you or i to own it and take over we'd both want our pound of flesh when the original deal was shit canned
Was it taking away a mans team or taking a sons lifestyle???
Like every one on here the split left a very bitter taste in my mouth.
Both sides of argument were hell bent on ruining it for each other and nearly cost DJR a championship
I'm still a DJR supporter but i do know one thing. Charlies new team will also have my support
In either of the two parragraphs, there is still no reason to lie, I'd accept "it's a commercial decision for the sponsor" that is understandable, but to say he has no other option due to regs, Pffffft
It's not Charlie bashing either, the guy is passionate, focussed and driven, he was a genius with crashney, and kept our Team on the road with his bucks when it was needed, he is likable and social, even gregarious a nice bloke for all intents and purposes, . . . . . . . just seems unable to move on with DJR, IMHO [tsk]
Look i can understand that people like and respect Charlie for what he's been able to do at DJR, and that they even might believe he was the man with the midus touch, It's just not my opinion of him, I think he's a lot smarter than that.
All i will say is that when i saw Charlie on Friday afternoon he was in a conversation with another bloke and as soon as he saw me he immediately stopped, said hello, took a few steps over towards me and shook my hand.
Over the 3 days i saw DJ dozens of times, did he even acknowledge me let alone say hello and shake my hand.....[crackup][crackup]
Both of these blokes know how much of a dedicated DJR fan i am too.
CS has my support but if he gets Crashney then i will have to think about that when/if the time arises.
Over the 3 days i saw DJ dozens of times, did he even acknowledge me let alone say hello and shake my hand.....[crackup][crackup]
Both of these blokes know how much of a dedicated DJR fan i am too.
CS has my support but if he gets Crashney then i will have to think about that when/if the time arises.
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Thats also a sticking point for me too Darren.
If CS did get Crashney it would take me quite a while to warm to him.
I'm just starting to get used to Davo back in a Ford, but Crashney shat on DJR and he shat on CS.
So that could be quite awhile before he got any love from me
If CS did get Crashney it would take me quite a while to warm to him.
I'm just starting to get used to Davo back in a Ford, but Crashney shat on DJR and he shat on CS.
So that could be quite awhile before he got any love from me
Yap
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I support anyone who drives a car with a blue oval on the front
HOWEVER, JC would have to change his smart a$$ attitude before he got too much love from me
you guys are more in the know than me but wasn't there a serious split in the CS JC love fest after JC left everyone around him high and dry to take the megabucks on offer at HRT. I was sure I read that by sydney that year he and charlie could not even be in the same room together. I really don't see charlie ( or FPR ) welcoming JC with open arms any time soon.