Apperantly djr have the car speed to mix it up well with the front runners of this season , the only thing they have had is luck as a fan of mototorsport in genral, Dick by himself has founded one of the best motorsport teams this country will ever see. My question is what is going on, can djr find the car speed they need with the drivers they have i say yes, with the cars themelves i say no.Why are djr,s cars only settled in cooler whether ,why is there only a hand full of laps where chassis,tires and engines can seem to work together AS A PACKAGE. What is djr lacking ? Is car setup is the answer, or horsepower..The CURRENT SUPERV8CARS are years behind in technoligy of Dicks major acheivement with an awesome display of skill and mechanical apptitude with the ford seirra,s.People will say diffrent car and come up with more excuses than you could poke a stick at, still these cars were years ahead of there time and what the old man done back then is a lot harder than the goal ahead of them now.So what is djr lacking, i reckon Dick himself the old ways the man that use to ring the things neck and old fahion know how the art of race craft. If anyone knows if there is a reason for djr,s lack of car speed i would really like to know....
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Gday Mick. From the bits and pieces I have seen so far this year, it looks like the cars are handling much better than last year, but maybe there is still a tenth or two in it. The biggest problem is their qualifying speed - both guys, moreso Steven who is so experienced in the formulae, need to be able to log at least one "shotgun lap" to hit the top ten, and maybe improve in the shootout. That way they wouldnt be battling through traffic in the early laps and would have a more workable pit strategy as well.
Thanks for the reply Doug i agree that both djr cars have improved. But as far as a "shotgun lap" goes a different fuel load will make up one to two tenths of a second in practice and qualifying and we should be up there, i think if that was the case.The handiling side of the cars has improved the drivers themselves have improved out of mind ,so it still leaves the major question what is lacking. Turning up to race meets as a driver and still getting a result and not going forward as a driver would be very frustrating .Team djr would also be frustrated from the wheel man to chassis engineer to engine builder.As far a stragety goes the pits are working well for djr as well as THE pace car. Starting from mid feild yes is a bad place to be but why are we there. Again i ask what is djr lacking. Thanks
Hi Mick, something is lacking, but how certain can we be regarding driver talent. With the utmost respect for Steven, his fulltime debut in 2000 held so much promise, but, for me personally, I have been a little disappointed thus far - I actually thought he would have a chieved more. As for Luffy, it';s early days, but he may be the next big thing I think.
DJR's performance has been scrutinised heavily by Supercar fans fro the last couple of seasons, and many of the people posting (mainly on other forums) are quick to point the finger at Steve for DJR's lack of big results. I offer the opinion that if Steven has a weakness, it's in setting up the car. As far as his talent, the guy can really drive... and there;s plenty of people who should now will tell you that.
The biggest part of putting together wins is putting together a winning team. If everyone's working well together and morale is high, big things happen. There are some good precedents:
HDT through the 70's and arguably as late as 1986...
DJR 1981-2, DJR 1984, DJR 1988-9, DJR 1994-5
Gibson Motor Sport 1990-3, 1994
HRT 1996-2002 (and I don't think that they're too far away from being a real danger again at present)
CPR 1993, 1995, 1997
SBR 2003-4
I can't speak for the team, because I'm not part of it, but they'll be trying their hardest to get to the top of the heap. Maybe if we let them do their thing, lay off them a bit and let them enjoy their motor racing, we may see the good old days come again
The biggest part of putting together wins is putting together a winning team. If everyone's working well together and morale is high, big things happen. There are some good precedents:
HDT through the 70's and arguably as late as 1986...
DJR 1981-2, DJR 1984, DJR 1988-9, DJR 1994-5
Gibson Motor Sport 1990-3, 1994
HRT 1996-2002 (and I don't think that they're too far away from being a real danger again at present)
CPR 1993, 1995, 1997
SBR 2003-4
I can't speak for the team, because I'm not part of it, but they'll be trying their hardest to get to the top of the heap. Maybe if we let them do their thing, lay off them a bit and let them enjoy their motor racing, we may see the good old days come again
I guess, due to his seeming inconsistency, it's fairly easy to question Steven's application to the task, but I think that he's a "confidence" driver, similar to Murph (BTW, I'm of the opinion that if someone can floor Murph on home turf in the next round, he'll be beaten for the rest of the season. How you re-train a driver who channels raw emotion like that, into a calculating, emotionally contained champion (witness Ambrose last year, particularly at Willowbank) is something I don't know...
There's been an awful lot of debate over this particular topic, and from a DJR fan's point of view, much of the speculation is counter-productive. I think that this year's driver line-up is quite well-matched, and has the potential to work well towards taking DJR to their familiar heights. I think that it'll be a long road, as everyone else is working toward the same goal, but when everything gels, look out!
G,day Doug and Henry it seems you both missed the true point and have both started to critisize Steven.Steven has the abilty to set a car and find the pace .Steven has acheived a lot and when it comes to a set up of a car he does it well as history speaks for itself with an awsome display of driver talent and mechanical setup of a race car in the old rotary powered dato. I am not here to critisize DJR or scrutinise just asking a very simple question what is lacking.Is DJR lacking car speed or still chassing horsepower. Coming from a technical point . THANKS
I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm bagging Steve, as I think the guy really does know what he's doing. There are a lot of people ready to blame him for DJR's poor showing, mainly because he's driving for his Dad's team, but those who have a bit of an idea of how the land lies rate him highly. Since he started full-time in the category, he's only once to my knowledge been beaten in the points tally by a team-mate... and considering who his team-mates have been, I rate that as a top effort.
I can't imagine that the car is lacking power - I don't think that any DJR car has ever been left wanting in that regard. It's obviously not an easy fix... or we'd be romping it in.
......and that's my 200th post.
I can't imagine that the car is lacking power - I don't think that any DJR car has ever been left wanting in that regard. It's obviously not an easy fix... or we'd be romping it in.
......and that's my 200th post.
Congrats Henry on 200 posts - as for Steve, I am most cetainly NOT bagging him, however I think all areas of performance require scrutiny - maybe not from us in particular. Last year, upon meeting Steve Chalker for the 1st time, he was well aware of the reasons behind the teams lack of performance, and that the road back is long and steady - doesn't mean I like the team any less because of whats happening.
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No one will like me here...
my view its the garage team...preparation car handling etc etc
since SB's left us what have we done???
Read Chalks little reply....
believe as follows
DJR will not merge etc
will be in Fords
not sure about Shell (hey dump Elders and come to Landmark/AWB) and stay with DJR...we can only get better
No one will like me here...
my view its the garage team...preparation car handling etc etc
since SB's left us what have we done???
Read Chalks little reply....
believe as follows
DJR will not merge etc
will be in Fords
not sure about Shell (hey dump Elders and come to Landmark/AWB) and stay with DJR...we can only get better
Hi Aides - whats doing?? As for the workshop team at DJR, I'm not sure that they can bear the brunt of the blame as they use feedback from the drivers quite a bit over the course of a weekend. If you look at our race pace, it's as good as the frontrunners, meaning if we can start from somewhere in the top ten, we are a half reasonable chance for a win, I reckon. We, after all, are only armchair experts - I personally am flat out checking tyre pressures, and a shock is what the wife gets when she sees me naked!![:I]
IS IT TO HARD OF A QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU TO HAVE AT GO AT, AIDE,S I THINK YOU ARE ON THE MARK BUT DOUG IM STILL WAITING FOR A REPLY ON STEVE CHALKERS COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER.TO ME THE CAR IS LACKING MID CORNER SPEED AND HAS A LACK OF POWER POSSIBLY FROM AIR INTAKE DESIGHN, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A SITE FOR MOTORSPORT FANS AND FOLLOWERS OF DJR NOT ARMCHAIR CRITICS
Why do you think that DJR would want to make their weaknesses public? It's hard enough to get a look at an assembled engine, let alone specific technical data.
On what are you basing your opinion that the cars lack grunt, and why would it be an air intake design problem?
If the car is lacking mid-corner speed, wouldn't the resulting lack of relative speed onto the straight (and then at the end of the straight) be enough to give you the impression that it needs more power? They've never lacked straight-line mumbo in the past.
The cars are showing competitive speed lately, just not getting down to the times in qualifying... and then it's pretty hard to fight your way hrough the clowns come race-day
On what are you basing your opinion that the cars lack grunt, and why would it be an air intake design problem?
If the car is lacking mid-corner speed, wouldn't the resulting lack of relative speed onto the straight (and then at the end of the straight) be enough to give you the impression that it needs more power? They've never lacked straight-line mumbo in the past.
The cars are showing competitive speed lately, just not getting down to the times in qualifying... and then it's pretty hard to fight your way hrough the clowns come race-day
What is probably more frustrating Boss 290, is that they seem to have good speed & fast times in final practice, but when it counts in qualifying, they can't match there earlier times & finish qualifying around 20th. How many times over the last couple of years have we logged onto NATSOFT or whatever after practice 3 and seen #17 or #18 well inside the top ten and then have a look after qualifying and just keep scrolling down to 20 something position. I believe the car speed is there, there just lacking something in official qualifying & it's bloody frustrating!!
As for Steve Chalkers comments on last year, there were no specific details, however they were/are being pro active - I mean to import a guy from Subaru World Rally team to focus solely on shocks - nothing else, no doubling up in pitstops on the wrenches - only shock performance shows how serious all of them are - when Max whacked the wall at Surfers in practice last year, I was fortunate enough to be with the team and saw first hand the dedication and one minded determination of ALL the crew.[8D]